TheRisingRoad, #33, #38 and #41
Let me responds to these posts of yours.
(I will also quote these who indirect portray what I wanna say. If you are one of them: Sorry if you got tagged. You dont need to reply if you dont want to)
First: Thank you for the info. Some sources I looked into had conflicting statements and I think you only mistyped about MC finding new Heroines, speaking it reads like there will be multiple BUT in reality (as the description of this manga itself AND original website says), he will end up with just a single one.
Second: You are right. Now that you mention it, "Keikenchi Chochiku de Nonbiri Shoushin Ryokou" is very similar, with the main difference you mentioned BUT: It had a complettly different flow and focus:
- Both based on Webnovels
- Both are finished (main story)
- Yes, in both MC got cucked bsc "plot".
- Yes, in both MC leaves the Party to move forward
- Yes, in both the "Revenge"(?) is almost only shown through the main difference between MC and the antoganists
"true" character to such a comical example that even him (antoganist) getting killed off/"punished" in the end (if both has this end) AND in a such ludicrous (From the Web novel), it wont be satisfying for many because of simple reasons:
- That they all fucked the antoganist and cucked the MC with this action, hence they are for many not seen as Heroines anymore and will either be seen as just plot devices with no real chance for any redemption at this point AND no focus in the story anymore.
- Since there lies a difference between beeing betrayed, or getting cucked. One is more redeemable then the other.
- As people tend not to mind when they are doing it (from the MC perspective), then being the one who happend to it, no matter how the story tries to bends over itself to outweight the good from the bad.
Aka:
Hyde2467 said:
that's... rather boring. i had hoped that those 3 used goods would suffer some consequence😒
Banzani said:
Lmao this is complete garbage. Reading the spoilers and it's so boring.
I wish I was the hero so I could ntr bitch ass MC.
With the main difference in "Keikenchi Chochiku de Nonbiri Shoushin Ryokou":
- MC moves on right from the very first chapter and dosent sulk after it
- MC dosent get cucked after that point
- MC starts to get this own Harem pretty early, which are "Pure"
- MC focus is on his own Harem girls
While in this manga:
- MC dosent move on, as he keeps on sulking through the "story"
- MC gets cucked through the whole "story", time after time, after every each Love Interest until the very last part where he finds his "Pure" Dream girl
- MC dosent get a Harem
- MC focus is on his Dream girl
Aka:
Fondness said:
These things are either 90% suffer porn and 10% revenge porn (this) or 10% suffer porn and 90% revenge porn(something like redo of the healer), it's the distasteful handling of 'suffering' I personally dislike.
What makes it 'porn' is beyond the potency or explicitness of the subject rather when it is reduced to a spectacle that cares less about telling a story or sending a message but rather more to stimulate the reader/audience with the subject (positive or negative).
Scenes serving purely for shock value falls under this, and if you think about it even fluffy romance stories that doesn't build up to anything but "sweet moments" would fall under that.
It is not worthless, there are people who like that sort of thing, don't think too much about the story but how reading the story makes you feel in the moment (A valid way to enjoy media). For that, I'm sure these kinds of stories are thrilling. But to me, these stories leave an unpleasant aftertaste no matter the "good ending" - and nothing to chew on but a pile of shit.
Mind you I didnt read both the novels, only the manga so we dont really know how big or little the original gets adapted or changed to fit it more with the audience since in your own post #41 you mentioned the "cuck" phase (which was the whole "story" in the webnovel) shortend up within 8 chaps. I cant confirm it but I dont see any reason not to believe you. And also as you mentioned:
The story it's not exciting after what happen to Ryuguin the Fake Hero
(Since this was the whole focus in the webnovel)
And title is not relevant anymore.
because the "redemption arcs" were also shorten as much as possible(?) but also no Harem exists in this Story since:
He will make sure find a jewel that bring him back to Japan and introduce his girlfriend to his family.
Third. I know what you mean when you say about hoping somehoe it having a Harem end, but honestly speaking it would be as cheap AND bad for both mangas when it happend because of the previous point I made. Sure, not everyone things like that BUT many Harem fans do, which sadly this Manga is marketed and tagged as.
Hence in this story the (at least for now from the RAWs I heard) focus on a single girl now and the rest gets forgotten. While in the other MC was focused on his new, good life with his new, "Pure" waifus in his harem.
However I will mention that I also dropped "Keikenchi Chochiku de Nonbiri Shoushin Ryokou", but for different reasons. You mentioned it before but in ch. 22 the MC forgive them but also seems like(?) she gets into his harem too(?), which made many people angry because and for my part, made him weak as a male protagonist...in a Harem story... and no matter how bad the excuse or "guilt trip" a Love Interest has how the story bends the Character knowing "She never did it from her true self" bullshit excuse, many see them just as something what cant be redeemed anymore.
Otherwise you hadnt these comments there, you wouldnt have this comments here, you wouldnt see the extreme rating difference but also every Pornhwa who had a main love interest having "unvoluntary" had sex with the antagonist would be seen from the perspective the MC has in this manga from now on.
Perhaps some people will see it as a dumb take, but lets not forget we talking about a Harem manga here where such stuff never end well for obvious reasons.
Anyway, rant over lol.